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Black head loop

Postby KinnieKat » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:03 pm

Hi,

Could someone tell me what the black loop around the top of this Lady's head is?

Thank you,

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Postby Dave B » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:41 pm

It's a hinged lid, like Eddie the head.


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Postby KinnieKat » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:43 pm

:lol: That thought did cross my mind!


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Postby john mackay » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:48 pm

Ive seen this before but it was on hats if i remember right it was a fashion thing for pulling the hat straight I think this must be the case here for her head piece.



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Postby Mark Griffin » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:10 pm

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Postby Alice the Huswyf » Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:08 am

She looks Italian to me - particularly becuase she is blonde (raving beauty in Italy, blonde hair).

While we were doing late medieval they were having a Renaissance that Henry V111 would fully catch up on. It is one of those inexplicable girl decoration things. I see why it looks like it could be derived from the vestiges of the holder/adjustment loop in northern europe - expect the italians didn't go in for hennin etc - they created the balli - a huge ball-shaped structure of hair/linen/false hair on the rear crown of the head. (An adjustment/holder loop is a narrow U shape centring on the forehead attached directely to a headress - this runs from side to side in an arc and runs into the hair.)

My guess is it simply a girl thang: her hair line is not naturally that high (I deduce this from the shape of the skull - the slight second rise where the facial skin thickens into scalp) - being shaved or plucked for fashion to give the high, clean hairline. Which leaves a splendid space for decoration.


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Postby KinnieKat » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:57 pm

Thank you everyone for your help. Makes sense that it's just one of those girl things.

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Postby Tuppence » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:11 am

yeah, strikes me as just a prettyifying thing


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Postby m300572 » Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:36 am

Its where she walked into the low door of the artists studio - its either a bruise from the door frame or a line of dust from the same! :D


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Postby Wim-Jaap » Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:07 am

a slotted chase light... like KITT, only the red light is on the other side! :twisted:

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Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:04 am

However if anyone knows wher I could buy one for my daughter who portrays a ravishing Italian beauty then I'd be grateful indeed.


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Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:23 am

I'll give it a go and try and remmember to post an answer next year. :D


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Postby sally » Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:27 pm

One of the MoL finds was a wire circlet that was silk wrapped, I know this is a different region/date but perhaps looking at how that was constructed would be a useful way to approach makinga silk wrapped version fo this?



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Postby Alice the Huswyf » Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:21 am

A draped cord would also sit like that if placed on that very high position on the forehead and not being used to tension a portion of the headdress or hairstyle (in which case it would need to sit lower and in a straighter, less arced position due to the tension it would be under if ti were to be of any use at all). This is placed to high to be used as a support.


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Postby Mad Mab » Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:41 am

If it is a wire rather than a draped cord, is it possible that it may be a counterbalance for the headdress rather than a support?
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Postby Annis » Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:31 pm

Just found a similar head loop in The Lady and the Ermine, yet worn lower down: http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/EUR/1400-15902~Lady-with-an-Ermine-Posters.jpg


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Postby lidimy » Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:03 pm

Has anyone here actually tried plucking their hair line? I was curious so I did, it doesn't hurt half as much as you'd think! I was kinda of expecting an eyebrow plucking experience, but it isn't anything like it. Maybe it's the next step for super authentic ladies? xD

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Postby frances » Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:04 am

Yes, this is an Italian portrait. They used loops like this that were often adorned with little jewels etc. I wonder if this is an example of an over-cleaned painting where the conservationist overdid things. I have seen too many paintings ruined where the top layer of paint has been removed in the interests of 'cleaning' and all you now see are the transluscent under-painting layers.



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Postby Theotherone » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:42 pm

There's a version of something similar on this page

http://www.museopoldipezzoli.it/PP_ingl ... gnamadonna

Piero del Pollaiolo (Florence 1443 - Rome 1496) Portrait of a Woman, about 3/4 way down.

And another here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_o ... i_(Raphael)

This one has beads seriously wound into the hair and almost making a "cut here" line under her chin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sand ... li_066.jpg


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Postby wibble puppy » Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:45 pm

lidimy wrote:Has anyone here actually tried plucking their hair line?

yes i made my mate help me pluck mine a few years back. she was horrified by the bleeding. :? Looked fab though 8)



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Postby lidimy » Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:25 pm

Bleeding?! Nope I haven't gone that far! But I agree, it does look like an improvement :oops:


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Postby KinnieKat » Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:29 pm

I think plucking my hairline is just a step too far for me! :P


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Postby lidimy » Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:30 pm

Oh go on, it's not all that bad... it doesn't hurt, at least, not if you're used to the eyebrow routine anyway! :lol:


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Postby KinnieKat » Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:34 pm

lidimy wrote:Oh go on, it's not all that bad... it doesn't hurt, at least, not if you're used to the eyebrow routine anyway! :lol:


Oh, I'm used to pain, but I'm not sure I'd want my hairline further back. :?


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Postby lidimy » Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:35 pm

Ah, I see. I have problems with baby hair AND a fairly low hairline. It needed dealing with :twisted:


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