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Hi,

Could someone tell me what the black loop around the top of this Lady's head is?

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It's a hinged lid, like Eddie the head.
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:lol: That thought did cross my mind!
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Ive seen this before but it was on hats if i remember right it was a fashion thing for pulling the hat straight I think this must be the case here for her head piece.

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She looks Italian to me - particularly becuase she is blonde (raving beauty in Italy, blonde hair).

While we were doing late medieval they were having a Renaissance that Henry V111 would fully catch up on. It is one of those inexplicable girl decoration things. I see why it looks like it could be derived from the vestiges of the holder/adjustment loop in northern europe - expect the italians didn't go in for hennin etc - they created the balli - a huge ball-shaped structure of hair/linen/false hair on the rear crown of the head. (An adjustment/holder loop is a narrow U shape centring on the forehead attached directely to a headress - this runs from side to side in an arc and runs into the hair.)

My guess is it simply a girl thang: her hair line is not naturally that high (I deduce this from the shape of the skull - the slight second rise where the facial skin thickens into scalp) - being shaved or plucked for fashion to give the high, clean hairline. Which leaves a splendid space for decoration.
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Thank you everyone for your help. Makes sense that it's just one of those girl things.

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yeah, strikes me as just a prettyifying thing
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Its where she walked into the low door of the artists studio - its either a bruise from the door frame or a line of dust from the same! :D
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a slotted chase light... like KITT, only the red light is on the other side! :twisted:

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However if anyone knows wher I could buy one for my daughter who portrays a ravishing Italian beauty then I'd be grateful indeed.
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I'll give it a go and try and remmember to post an answer next year. :D
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One of the MoL finds was a wire circlet that was silk wrapped, I know this is a different region/date but perhaps looking at how that was constructed would be a useful way to approach makinga silk wrapped version fo this?

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A draped cord would also sit like that if placed on that very high position on the forehead and not being used to tension a portion of the headdress or hairstyle (in which case it would need to sit lower and in a straighter, less arced position due to the tension it would be under if ti were to be of any use at all). This is placed to high to be used as a support.
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If it is a wire rather than a draped cord, is it possible that it may be a counterbalance for the headdress rather than a support?
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Just found a similar head loop in The Lady and the Ermine, yet worn lower down: http://imagecache2.allposters.com/image ... osters.jpg
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Has anyone here actually tried plucking their hair line? I was curious so I did, it doesn't hurt half as much as you'd think! I was kinda of expecting an eyebrow plucking experience, but it isn't anything like it. Maybe it's the next step for super authentic ladies? xD

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Yes, this is an Italian portrait. They used loops like this that were often adorned with little jewels etc. I wonder if this is an example of an over-cleaned painting where the conservationist overdid things. I have seen too many paintings ruined where the top layer of paint has been removed in the interests of 'cleaning' and all you now see are the transluscent under-painting layers.

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There's a version of something similar on this page

http://www.museopoldipezzoli.it/PP_ingl ... gnamadonna

Piero del Pollaiolo (Florence 1443 - Rome 1496) Portrait of a Woman, about 3/4 way down.

And another here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_o ... _(Raphael)

This one has beads seriously wound into the hair and almost making a "cut here" line under her chin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sand ... li_066.jpg
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lidimy wrote:Has anyone here actually tried plucking their hair line?
yes i made my mate help me pluck mine a few years back. she was horrified by the bleeding. :? Looked fab though 8)

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Bleeding?! Nope I haven't gone that far! But I agree, it does look like an improvement :oops:
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I think plucking my hairline is just a step too far for me! :P
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Oh go on, it's not all that bad... it doesn't hurt, at least, not if you're used to the eyebrow routine anyway! :lol:
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lidimy wrote:Oh go on, it's not all that bad... it doesn't hurt, at least, not if you're used to the eyebrow routine anyway! :lol:
Oh, I'm used to pain, but I'm not sure I'd want my hairline further back. :?
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Ah, I see. I have problems with baby hair AND a fairly low hairline. It needed dealing with :twisted:
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